Former UFC champion Frank Shamrock remains locked out of the promotion he previously called home. Shamrock, a recent announcer for Strikeforce, was hired by Viacom to help out on Spike TV-related MMA programming including “Fight Master” and “Gym Rescue.”

Shamrock appeared on a recent edition of Submission Radio to discuss a number of subjects, including a possible future inclusion into the UFC Hall of Fame, fighting Anderson Silva and more.

On wanting to potentially fight Anderson Silva

“Totally. I thought that I’d fight ’till I was 45. And I remember Anderson Silva who was a young man when I was a young man. You know, (he) was around the game, was learning, was studying. I remember him as the soft spoken Muay Thai guy. To see his development and to see his progress in MMA, I always knew, it’s like Martial Arts. The guys who keep studying will eventually be the guys at the front going ‘check this out’.”

“I always knew that eventually these guys would come back around and I’d be in line to face him (Anderson), Vitor, you know, all those guys. But I also knew my back has been jacked since I was 16. You know, when I was 16 my leg went numb and the doctors where like ‘you need surgery, you’re never gonna play sports, and you’re gonna be a patient for the rest of your life’. And I was like ‘no way, I wanna be a world champion’. So I’ve had this injury, this progressive problem that I knew was going to catch up to me. And unfortunately it caught up to me in my third phase of my career, when I was swinging against (Nick) Diaz.”

On if Frank would have chosen to go fight in the UFC if he knew he had such a short amount of time left on his career

“By the time Strikeforce had come along, that was already a whole other kind of a third career for me. I was already retired twice and I didn’t expect that, you know the whole Strikeforce thing was totally unexpected. And I went for as long as I could, and I had the time of my life, and I was in so many roles there, that it wasn’t just about becoming the Strikeforce world champion or the Middle Weight World Champion, it was about getting on Network television and competing against the UFC and so many other things. And I was so deeply tied to the cause of Mixed Martial Arts and competition to the UFC in an open market place, so I was just blessed to have that third career. I never cared, I never anticipated it, I was golfing, I was like ‘I’m never gonna fight again’. And Scott was like ‘no dude we gotta, there’s a shot here and you should, you know go back to work.”

On being inducted in the UFC Hall of Fame and on Frank’s relationship with Dana

“My relationship remains the same, which seems like we stand on two sides of the fence. But you know, I’m not opposed to being in the Hall of Fame, it just is what it is, you know. I organically, you know, because of my star power and because of ability to do business, I organically started a competition. And it just put myself, my brand, and my company at odds with the UFC, and they take it very personal when you stand against them. You know to me, I’m just very blessed to be successful in business, I had a successful fighting career, I’ve been able to turn that into Television, and you know I feel very blessed that I’m able to provide for my family through Martial Arts. And you know I made some enemies along the way, but I stood for what I believed in and you know, I didn’t compromise.”

On being inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame, and intensions to mend bridges with the UFC and Dana White

“It’s not something that I desire. I mean, I’m in the black belt hall of fame, I’m in the American martial arts hall of fame, I’m in the Guinness World records for my accolades, I’ve spoken to the Senate. You know for me it was about this personal journey, and you know if the UFC wants to recognise it that’s great, if they don’t, that’s great. It’s not really my business, it’s not really my company, so there’s nothing I can do about it. But I would hope that someone who worked so hard for the sport would be recognized for it, and I hope in the future, people that work so hard for the sport get recognized for it.”

On the fight that Frank Shamrock wished he had

“I wish I closed the deal with CBS to fight Ken Shamrock, my brother. Because that would have been the biggest fight of all time.”

On who wins between Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier

“I honestly think that Daniel Cormier is probably the most well trained wrestler/boxer, you know sort of MMA fighter in this era, and I don’t think Jon Jones is gonna get away from him or be able to knock him out. So you know, I think while Jones is probably 2 or 3 times the athlete, you know the rules of MMA dictate (that) if you’re on top and your punching first, you know if you cut the angle, you’re doing the damage, and I just think Cormier’s gonna do all the damage.”

On who wins between Nick Diaz and Anderson Silva

“The problem with that fight is Diaz’s takedowns aren’t like impacting strong. You know he’s like grab, and turn angle, but it’s not like rip you down and take you down. And Silva’s a guy you’ve gotta blast through with a strong take down. So my concern with that fight is that as it progresses, the length, the confidence of Silva is gonna damage Diaz, and the inability to take him down is gonna damage him more, and I don’t think Diaz is gonna come out winning that fight.”

On being in the UFC before the big MMA boom

“Well it was pretty amazing because it was still like that you know, wild west of the UFC time, where we would go around peaking at outfits, and you know, looking at guy’s black belt rankings, and trying to figure out like what his skill sets would be, and it was just really primitive knowledge about what the opponent knew or what the group knew. So that part of it was scary, but to be involved in the development of that, and to see it come along, it was pretty amazing and I mean, we were in fair grounds. They’d have hockey the night before and we’d be rolling out the next night, and there’d be water on the ground and stuff. Like it was really kind of a grass roots. You had to love it to kinda be there thing.”

On what the Tito Ortiz fight meant to Frank

“It was really just the culmination of myself as an athlete, you know when I was young, (it was) sort of the first generation of Frank. And you know, I learnt about my brand, and what I needed to do in the future, and I was a young guy, I’d spent most of my time incarcerated and in trouble with the law, so I just didn’t know any of this stuff. But by the time I fought Tito I had a good entertainment lawyer, and I was a member of ‘SAG’, the screen actors guild. So I had all these avenues to sort of, you know, go to the next level. And yeah, I totally had this plan, I was gonna fight Tito, I was gonna retire and get out of my contract, I was gonna move to Hollywood and be like a movie star, and I had just a whole crazy plan in mind, and I just trained my butt off. You know, fighting Tito at that time, he was like 225, maybe 228, and I was probably 191 pounds. So I knew hanging out with him, and wrestling with him a few times, and sparring with him that he was just the next size guy, and I’d have to really become that super athlete that night. And that was the night where I just sort of put everything together, and I was able to, you know become a super athlete in a sport where super athletes hadn’t arrived yet.”

Thoughts on Tito Ortiz still fighting

“I don’t know how he’s still going, you know. Because at 40 everything starts to fall apart, but he seems to have found a new leg of longevity. He obviously loves what he’s doing and totally inspires him, you know much like it did when he was a kid, so I don’t know. Some people get a late push in life, especially in their career. He seems to have gotten one of those and he seems to be invigorated by it. He looked terrible the last few years, but hey if he keeps winning, that’s the thing is, if you’re winning and you’re building something, or you’re building a bigger vision that’s important, then you should keep fighting. If you’re getting your butt kicked and you’re destroying your brand, or your body, or your brain, then it’s time to hang it up. And I just don’t know where he’s at on that.”

On Scott Coker arriving to Bellator

“Well first off, I think it’s great for the brand that Scott took over. And you know, not that Bjorn didn’t have a great Idea and wasn’t going down a great course, but I think getting trapped in that tournament you know sort of trapped them from creating stars, and the sport’s about stars”

“If you get a guy who, you know turns it on, and wins the crowd and loses, you know that’s just part of the story. He shouldn’t be penalized and have to go back through and fight X,Y, and Z. You know, a guy that wins the crowd, it’s like the gladiator days, if you win the crowd, you know you get to go to the next level. And I think that’s what good promotion in entertainment is about. The tournament kind of locked talent into that, and for me it was always about the story.”